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exoskeletron:
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9/11 - the cause, the effect
Fri, Sep. 3rd, 2004 03:50 pm

http://www.elchulo.net/files/pentagon.swf

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lilmisother:
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9/11 - the cause, the effect
Sun, Jul. 11th, 2004 12:41 pm
( What are Kerry's views for gay marriage?Collapse )

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lilmisother:
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9/11 - the cause, the effect
Fri, Jun. 18th, 2004 09:43 pm

911:  THE ROAD TO TYRANNY


http://100777.com/media/911theroadtotyranny.asf (Windows Media Player)
http://100777.com/media/911.ram (Real Player)


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duneweaver:
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9/11 - the cause, the effect
Sun, Sep. 21st, 2003 12:40 am

Well...

The good news is that we now have a new style which allows us to delete comments we posted and stuff - being new to this whole community thing, I was going nuts trying to find out how to delete something I posted twice accidentally...

So I was wondering: how do people feel about G.W. Bush?

I think my opinion is pretty clear - he's doing untold damage to the US, and so many things about him rub me the wrong way.

He's not cut out for leadership - he's so not the guy you want leading you out of a fire, or something. Colin Powell - sure. But Bush - you feel like you'd have to lead him to the Exit sign by the hand, as he struggled to pronounce what was written on it.

And his speeches remind me of Joey playing Drake Ramore (sp?) on Friends, what with the deep and meaningful stares into the camera after every phrase.

Current Mood: accomplished
Current Music: The Bare necessities

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duneweaver:
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9/11 - the cause, the effect
Sun, Sep. 14th, 2003 12:57 pm

SO now, Israel is openly discussing killing Arafat.

Isn't this insane?!? I mean, how can talking like that possibly be constructive?

So Arafat isn't a lamb - but he doesn't have the support of all of Palestine right now - just a part of it (who the hell really knows how much).

But if you kill him, you make a martyr of him. It's exactly that sort of arrogance that makes Israel so easy to hate by Palestinians - the open discussion of a breach of god knows how many rules of law and morality.

As for Abbas, he was the best hope for a peace process - and now he's on the sidelines again - through being undermined both by Israel and by the Palestinian Authority under Arafat.

So now, the circle of violence is in full throttle again - what's the casualty count before people realise that there is no victory in sight for either side this way?

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duneweaver:
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Wed, Sep. 10th, 2003 01:56 am

After reading this article on bbcnews.com, I would be very, very surprised if Al-Qaeda and other assorted US loving characters didn't plan something pretty huge.

I reckon that if they have the resources, and that is a big if, they would plan all sorts of attacks, mostly on easy targets such as Afghanistan and Iraq troops.

The worst thing they could do is attack some sort of memorial that will be going on on the 11th. But I very much doubt that they have the capabilities.

I find this, and all sorts of terrorism, disgusting and unjustifiable. If you want me to even for a second entertain your pretensions, then concentrate your attacks on military targets only - a single civilian death is unjustifiable.

Nonetheless, current US policy is going to lead to huge problems. I think that, in general, Americans underestimate the damage they are causing to others, to their image, and to their global relations.

If 9/11 taught us anything, it's that no none is beyond the reach of retribution, and hatred. As Jean-jacques Rousseau - whose philosophy is closely linked to that behind the United-States' creation - said it, "le plus fort n’est jamais assez fort pour être toujours le maître, s’il ne transforme sa force en droit, et l’obéissance en devoir": loosely translated, that means "the strongest nation is never so strong to forever remain the master, unless it transforms its power into law, and obedience into a duty".

George W Bush, or his administration, are leading the US into a one-way street they have already been down - the repercussions of US action since 9/11 only serves to prove that the lesson was not learnt. The cause of 9/11 has become its effect; and that effect will be the cause for a repeat tragedy. It will take a truly great leader to break the chain of events, and I don't believe the American People will be ready for that kind of foresight until much more blood has been shed, blood that will all too slowly demonstrate the futility of the Bushesque Cowboy attitude.

What the American People need to realise is that they are being attacked by individuals who constitute a virus to all, not least to the countries they come from. Terrorists are the virus living in the benign petri-dish.

Yet this virus thrives on hatred, and when the US attacks the innocent by-standers, they start to hate, and when they hate, they start considering joining such organisations as Hamas, Hizbullah et al.

So what should the US do? It should collaborate with nations that are friendly. Instead of wasting billions on warring in Iraq, an enterprise which will only end in tears for all, they should spend millions rewarding those that work with it - that way, they can set up a network of helpers in the lion's den, all the better to root out the individuals that really hurt it.

For as long as Uncle Sam continues to shoot indiscriminately at all things bearded, all things Muslim, all things different, the United States will suffer from vengeful acts of desperation such as 9/11. You CANNOT, alone, beat the hydra with nothing to lose that is anti-American terrorism. The only way is to do so with the collaboration of the locals, in the hope that they may burn the stumps as the US cuts of the heads that bite, leaving the others to thrive under the precepts of a "free and democratic society" (you can bash it all you like, but the fact is that it's as close as we've come to the utopia we dream of, so until someone finds better....)

So the US needs to understand its enemy, understand the people that live beyond its borders, and apply the same principles they hope to apply within their borders overseas - otherwise, an American will never feel truly safe.

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